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  5. 7 hours ago, xLaming said:

    Better than getting warnings/ban or whatever for something that isn't our fault,

     

    You won't receive a warning if you've done nothing wrong. Your reputation may be adjusted fairly based on the circumstances though.

     

    In any case, if you're concerned about users targeting you and awarding you with excessive reputation for no reason, please report it if you notice it happening.

     

    17 minutes ago, CH3RRY said:

    They removed all my reputation, where does it said I broke the rules? Is not my fault that other people react to my status.

    Users shouldn't be limited to do what you think is right to do, it doesn't work like that. It's not my fault and I don't force no one to do like my status, I'm not guilty that they like what I post.

     

    We appreciate you did not break any rules, and you did not force anyone to like your content.

     

    However, your reputation still needed to be reset because you obtained mass amounts of reputation from others when it was undue.

     

    52 minutes ago, CH3RRY said:

    Here it's mentioned that we should give awards (trophies) to a content with "quality", I see some users giving an award for just a simple comment or opinion? There's a contradiction with yourselves, but if they react to my status, then you have to remove my ratings, but you gives like even for just a comment "hi" and don't remove the reaction or the like that was given.

     

    If users continue to award trophies for no reason, each case will be reviewed accordingly.

     

    There are lots of factors to consider, including the number of times it's happened and how long it's been happening for.

     

    11 minutes ago, siglo said:

    Is the system wrong since one year and just now they realize? If you do not know how to manage a forum, resign and put people who know and can solve the problems and do not abuse their power in the forum.

    7 minutes ago, D4niel said:

     

    i think the same if this is so years ago, now is that you realize? they are just abusing their rank

     

    they should give up and have dignity

     

    We should avoid creating unnecessary drama here.

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  8. 34 minutes ago, Hermuth said:

    What will be done then?

     

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  9. On 11/28/2019 at 12:06 PM, Toxic said:

    So that I'm clear, you're only given reputation points if the award trophy icon is selected?

     

    [...]

     

    P.S. @Angelo I think in the first post it should be made more clear which reactions do what now. As I can't seem to find a for sure answer.

     

    “Thanks”, “Cool”, “Haha”, and “Wow” reactions will also give a reputation point. This is the exact same as before, and has not changed. Apologies as this contradicts information in the original topic when it was first posted (which was edited soon after), but there was a misunderstanding. This information has been added to the topic post.

     

    To clarify one last time, the only changes that were made are as follows:

    • Likes no longer give reputation.
    • The trophy has been added, which should be used to award quality posts.
    1 hour ago, Templario said:

    @Cuervo

    That seems perfect to me, but now I ask, will those users who misuse the reputation be sanctioned? For example in that post there are many trophies and they are simple comments. I know they are for important things, but it is good to give a reputation point for helping and for pleasure.

     

    If trophies continue to be awarded for no discernible reason, each case will be looked into.


  10. Just to be clear, posts like this shouldn't be awarded trophies:

     

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    Trophies = quality posts. They deserve reputation and may be thoughtful, and may have taken effort to produce.

     

    Other reactions would be more suitable here. Likes no longer give reputation, so they can be used here instead (that's what the change is intended for).

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  11. 1 hour ago, Lemona said:

    If it's BLATANTLY obvious that certain people are abusing the system, then their actions should be dealt with individually.

     

    The abusers are dealt with individually, but the change is also about providing more freedom for everyone to use likes, whether they've broken rules or not.

     

    1 hour ago, Lemona said:

    Isn't it a little bit bias for the people who have the most reputation and several "quality" posts be telling everyone else that they should only be awarding "quality" posts? It's just a reputation system after all and this forum has multiple people who might not be fully fluent in English, so it might be slightly more difficult for them to actually execute "decent" or "quality" posts.

     

    Reputation should be given to quality content though. The forum guidelines indicate this too:

     

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    16. Avoid reputation abuse. Asking other members for reputation is not allowed. If your content is good enough, you will receive reputation appropriately. The spirit of this rule is to prevent mass amounts of reputation from being earned when it's undue. This means that if you make a quality post and remind users to show appreciation by giving a like, that would be acceptable. The same goes for taking away reputation.

     

    If there's a better way to define reputation (or if it needs redefining), I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.

     

    1 hour ago, Lemona said:

    The reactions sort of contradict each other -- someone can post something really constructive yet be absolutely hilarious at the same time. I would personally prefer using the "haha" reaction in that case, but it doesn't really make sense to react with a trophy even though they deserve a point for it.

     

    I believe the trophy would be a catch-all reaction for this. Reddit gold is given to funny posts on Reddit (although it's obviously a different environment), so the trophy could cover funny posts here too, if they deserve it. Nonetheless, if you believe there's a better icon than a trophy, this can be considered. The main purpose of this change is that 'likes' no longer give reputation (and can be used freely) and a new reaction has been created specifically to award quality posts. The trophy was an afterthought.

     

    Thank you for the comments!

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  12. 29 minutes ago, RobFerrari said:

    • Do you really need the extra drawing of a trophy for people to express what is already obvious to express with the amount of likes?

     

    Yes, I believe it is beneficial to separate likes and trophies.

     

    Before this change, Likes were frequently being used to show affection and enjoyment regardless of post quality, which isn't in the spirit of the reputation system. With the addition of the trophy icon, these same users can continue liking anything they want - but this time they won't be damaging the reputation system, and they won't have to worry about reputation abuse.

     

    The trophy hasn't simply replaced the 'Like' reaction - it's also allowed 'Like' to be used more freely without imposing on forum guidelines.

     

    40 minutes ago, RobFerrari said:

    You will excuse me, but if an option is enabled in any section, it is for me to use it my way, and to my liking. They disagree? Then disable it in those sections. It's simple.

     

    Surely it's better to add more freedom of expression (which we've done by freeing up the 'Like' button) than to simply remove all the reactions.

     

    54 minutes ago, RobFerrari said:

    And obviously, people like "volunteers or contributors" are always exposed to receive reputation points for making official publications, which is an obvious duty as collaborators they are, which doesn't always mean that the post is "Quality" as for example, this.

     

    I'd argue that users who post New Power Testing topics each week are far more exposed to receiving easy reputation points than things that volunteers or contributors post, but I take your point nonetheless.

     

    With the new changes, we've now potentially introduced a system to prevent this from happening. You can now 'like' these updates (i.e. to literally show that you like it) without awarding reputation if the user doesn't deserve it because they're simply a messenger etc.

     

    3 hours ago, Abrahan said:

    xat is a place to have fun, I think that creating new rules to limit users to have fun is not achieving the true goal.

     

    No new rules or restrictions have been created.

     

    The rules that Angelo listed above are existing rules that pre-date this change, most of which were not enforced as Andre indicated (and there's some grey areas in there). They are not new concepts specifically introduced with this change (although arguably they would be easier to enforce now that users have the full set of reactions available to them (including the freed-up likes), so there'd be no excuses for not using them).

     

    I think we all want users to have fun, but not to the detriment of the guidelines (that is, abusing reputation) or there'd be chaos. Also bear in mind that users misusing reputation can spoil the enjoyment of other users who worked hard to gain their reputation through effort. We have to think about them too.

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  13. 23 minutes ago, Leandro said:

    I've always said this. However, they think that option will ''kill the activity''. Oh yes, because they only do these kind of post to gain reputation.

     

    It might affect enthusiasm and enjoyment though, if people can't react to things (the same as if reactions were removed here too). They're a nice addition to the forums and it's a shame if they're taken away.

     

    1 hour ago, Abrahan said:

    [...] and it is very easy to identify the people who ask others.

     

    It should be even easier to spot reputation abuse now, if someone keeps giving trophies for low quality posts.

     

    Users now have the full set of reactions available to them (including 'likes' to show affection and enjoyment), so there can't be any excuses for not using them.


  14. 18 minutes ago, siglo said:

    I just want my advance member to put my mouthpiece juniors .. but well I think that there are several changes to this forum I see things that in other forums do not allow and here a nonsense warn you

     

    This change is not restricting you. It's allowing you to use the 'like' reaction more freely than before. Your concern about Advanced Member (i.e. making it more accessible) is not related to this change. You can still receive reputation for quality posts, exactly as before. It's just a different icon now (i.e. a trophy).

     

    Also, the only users that should receive warnings are those that don't follow the guidelines. If you believe any guidelines should be changed, you may open a new topic with your proposal and it can be discussed (we're always listening!) Equally, if you believe someone has been warned unfairly, this can be reported to forum staff.

     

    Thank you for the comments so far!


  15. 11 hours ago, zw said:

    If we're attempting to define what merits reputation, it might be prudent to include a statement in simple terms [in addition to any abstract details] so that it's better understood and provides more coverage. That way, we may be mitigating risk of edge cases.

     

    To simplify things, the trophy should be used to award quality content - the way reputation was always intended.

     

    11 hours ago, zw said:

    It may be useful to view this from the lens of asking ourselves why the system is being used or was set up "incorrectly".

     

    That's exactly what we've done!

     

    Under the previous system, Likes were frequently being used because it's the obvious reaction for showing affection and enjoyment, and there was no useful alternative. Besides the heart, your only choices were 'Cool', 'Haha' or 'Thanks', which aren't the same.

     

    The problem was that our 'Like' reaction intrinsically awarded reputation, and there was no choice in the matter. In summary, if you wanted to express affection or enjoyment for something (eg "I love you" messages), you were forced to award reputation too.

     

    We identified this flaw in the system, and we provided a solution. You can now show affection and enjoyment for things without being forced to award reputation. There's now a separate reaction for rewarding quality content.

     

    11 hours ago, zw said:

    It also begs the question what's really earned from policing all this and at what expense. Not sure how much bedlam is caused over all this.

     

    To be clear, we haven't introduced any new restrictions. The guidance about when to award reputation is unrelated to this change. But since we're making an announcement about reputation, it was a useful place to post it.

     

    The end result of this change is that users now have more freedom  to express themselves. That is, users can now use the 'Like' reaction without being forced to give reputation. We're opening doors, not closing them.

     

    Hopefully, we may see more reactions and interactions across the forum in general now, because users won't be afraid of awarding likes (in fear of abusing reputation) anymore.

     

    10 hours ago, Jintan said:

    Every day the xat is running out of users and the forum follows the same path, on the other hand, it is supposed to be a forum where there are rules, you can not limit the likes or emoticons to users. This type of rule seems created by the simple fact that other users do not have a reputation or that the known ones do not appear and those that are not known win them.

    First time I see this rule in a forum where there are supposedly people with knowledge to improve and end up getting more users away.

     

    We haven't introduced any new rules.

     

    If anything, we're providing more freedom to users, because they can now 'like' something without being forced to award reputation. 

     

    8 hours ago, SLOom said:

    I think, it makes more sense to disable it in the subforums and statuses in question, so it's not going to be "abused" in the places where it should not be used. (unless if it's already disabled!)

     

    This is just my thought about.

     

    This was considered but decided not to sacrifice likes in these places.

     

    8 hours ago, Sergio said:

    Overall I think the change is positive towards how reputation works simply because you can react to posts freely but you can also give reputation if you consider that the post itself is worth of reputation, and not because of the person who is posting it.

     

    Exactly!

     

    8 hours ago, Sergio said:

    What makes you think that they won't use it just like "The like button" 2.0? 

     

    The heart icon represents affection, in popular culture, whereas the trophy has a different meaning altogether. Hopefully, the two aren't confused.


  16. I was sceptical about the number of 'sticky' powers on xat, and if there's enough to form a super collection.

     

    The verdict is yes, there are enough. Here's my list of 'sticky' powers below:

    And there's more, which I wasn't 100% decided on:

    • Feast [98] (food power - not necessarily sticky)
    • Pizzas [498] (more greasy than sticky)
    • Stick [59] (hippo)
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